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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Non, cette reconfirmation était inhabituelle et je n'en avais jamais entendu parler avant. De toute évidence, ce n'est pas défini dans la DP. En fait, c'était un des motifs de notre première plainte devant le TCCE.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	No, the reconfirmation was unusual and not something that I had ever heard of before. And it's clearly not defined in the RFP. In fact, that was one of the bases of our first CITT complaint.

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Toutefois, le DP, ou dossier passager, que les compagnies aériennes seraient tenues de communiquer si le projet de loi est adopté, va beaucoup plus loin. Le DP était à l'origine un système commercial conçu par les compagnies aériennes pour faciliter les voyages.

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However, PNR information, which would also be required to be disclosed by airlines if this bill is passed, is much more far-reaching. PNR was originally a commercial system designed by the airlines to facilitate travel. It includes not only one's name and identification, but also fields for payment information, such as your credit card details; contact details, such as your phone number or home address; frequent flyer information; in some cases age, if the passenger is either young or elderly; special service requests, such as a meal request or a seating preference; special instructions; and blank fields that airlines and travel agents are able to fill in as they wish.

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À moins d'un changement, la demande de propositions est fondée sur une durée initiale de deux heures, 50 minutes, avec un temps de réserve de 30 minutes, si je ne m'abuse. Pourquoi le gouvernement ou le processus de DP demanderait-il un nouvel hélicoptère affichant une durée de vol moins longue qu'en 1963?

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Sir, I don't have my graphs here with me, but next year will recognize the 40th anniversary of the Sea Kings. We know now that the process to speed up its replacement is happening. I do know that, in 1963, the Sea King was done on the basis of a 3-hour flying time with a 30-minute reserve. Unless it changes, the RFP is asking for an initial duration of 2 hours, 50 minutes, with a 30-minute reserve time, if I'm not mistaken in that regard. I'm just wondering if you can answer why the government or the RFP process would indicate a new helicopter that actually has less duration than the one done in 1963, or why the request is for that one.

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Toutefois, le DP, ou dossier passager, que les compagnies aériennes seraient tenues de communiquer si le projet de loi est adopté, va beaucoup plus loin. Le DP était à l'origine un système commercial conçu par les compagnies aériennes pour faciliter les voyages.

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However, PNR information, which would also be required to be disclosed by airlines if this bill is passed, is much more far-reaching. PNR was originally a commercial system designed by the airlines to facilitate travel. It includes not only one's name and identification, but also fields for payment information, such as your credit card details; contact details, such as your phone number or home address; frequent flyer information; in some cases age, if the passenger is either young or elderly; special service requests, such as a meal request or a seating preference; special instructions; and blank fields that airlines and travel agents are able to fill in as they wish.

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Le deuxième cours du volet DP-3 est le Cours de commandement et d'état-major interarmées-Réserve. En réalité, c'est le cours qui correspond aux exigences spécifiques de l'élément de la Réserve. Celui-ci comprend un module de formation à distance d'une durée de 60 heures et une phase de résidence de deux semaines, habituellement durant l'été.

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The second one in the DP-3 window is the joint reserve command and staff course. In reality, it is the corresponding course for the specific requirement of the reserve component. That one includes a 60-hour distance delivery module and a two-week residency phase conducted in-house, normally in the summertime. I would add that in development period three, both regular and reserve courses are joint and include an international participation. So that's development period three.

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Dans le cas du contrat de SIST, plusieurs personnes se trouvent dans cette situation: le ministre, M. Fortier, en raison de ses liens antérieurs avec CGI; M. Steven Poole, le PDG de la DGSI, la direction de TPSGC qui a émis la DP et qui est un ancien vice-président de Postes Canada et Innovaposte, une coentreprise appartenant à 49 p.

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The second concern relates to the code of procurement, which states that if there is even an appearance of a conflict of interest, then those involved should remove themselves from any decisions involved in that procurement. In the case of ETS, several individuals are in this position: Minister Fortier, due to his previous connections with CGI; Mr. Steven Poole, the CEO of ITSB, the organization within PWGSC that issued the RFP, who was formerly a vice-president of Canada Post and Innovapost, a joint venture that is 49% owned by CGI; and Mr. Jirka Danek, a director general within ITSB and a former vice-president of CGI.

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Avant de terminer, monsieur le président, je tiens à signaler les autres modifications contenues dans le projet de loi, à l'intention des membres du comité. La modification relative à l'Information préalable sur les voyageurs et au Dossier passager, IPV/DP, concerne les délais établis pour la réception des renseignements de la part de l'ASFC.

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Before closing, Mr. Chair, I would like to reference for the committee members the remaining amendments contained in this bill. The amendment respecting advance passenger information and passenger name record, APIPNR, concerns the timeframes within which the CBSA receives this information. Given that passenger data is obtained for risk assessment purposes, it is required in sufficient time to carry out the assessment prior to the arrival of the traveller. The current wording of the act does not meet this requirement. Accordingly, the amendment would permit the timing of the APIPNR data to be prescribed in the regulations. Prescribing the timeframes through the regulations would allow for flexibility to adjust to technological advances and would facilitate the planned expansion of APIPNR to rail and marine mode.

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M. Graham Flack: Le programme SIPV/DP dont j'ai parlé illustre bien le travail que nous avons fait avec le commissaire à la protection de la vie privée pour fixer des restrictions très très détaillées sur l'utilisation de l'information et les niveaux de stockage.

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Mr. Graham Flack: The API/PNR program that I mentioned to you is a good example of where we worked with the Privacy Commissioner on very, very detailed restraints around what that information was going to be used for, levels of storage. Most information is dumped within 24 hours. You can only retain certain information beyond that if it has been accessed for some reason—you have a security expectation of it. Beyond certain periods, the information can't be accessed simply by front-line officers, but only by very senior officials if they have reasons to access that information, and there are safeguards on who that information can be shared with.

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Mme Elinor Caplan: L'IPV/DP, le programme d'information préalable sur les voyageurs et les dossiers passagers, a été négocié de telle manière qu'il pourrait fonctionner de cette façon. Le Canada recueillerait les renseignements sur les vols internationaux entrant au Canada.

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Ms. Elinor Caplan: The API-PNR, the advanced passenger informationand passenger name record program, was negotiated so that it would operate and function in this way. Canada would collect information on inbound international flights into Canada. We would develop what I call a centre of analytical expertise. The United States would collect information on passengers coming into the United States. They would have a comparable centre of analytical excellence.

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Je crois que M. Hasbrouck a mentionné à juste titre les négociations de l'UE avec les États-Unis au sujet des données du DP ainsi que les négociations entre l'UE et le Canada. Le Canada et l'UE ont réussi à conclure un traité international sur l'échange de données du DP qui a été salué par les experts en données et en protection de la vie privée justement parce qu'il limite l'utilisation des données, qui sont d'ailleurs banalisées au préalable, ce qui signifie que les noms sont retirés des dossiers.

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I think that Mr. Hasbrouck points rightly to the EU negotiations with America on PNR data, and then the EU-Canada negotiations. Canada and the EU managed to have an international treaty on the exchange of PNR data that was praised by data and privacy authorities precisely because it limited the use and anonymized the data, which meant you took the name off from the records. You could still use the information for the creation of profiling, but you couldn't use it for individuals. It was also praised because the data were disposed of.

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La question est de savoir si le gouvernement canadien veut faciliter les choses pour le gouvernement américain ou s'il veut les rendre difficiles, c'est-à-dire s'il veut ou non lui communiquer les données du DP avec sa bénédiction pour qu'il utilise cette information commerciale à des fins de sécurité.

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I think the question is whether the government wants to make this easy for the U.S. government or make it difficult--that is, whether or not it wants to send PNR data to the United States with our direct blessing for them to use this commercial information for security purposes. We don't have to say it's nefarious; we only have to admit that their security culture is different from Canada's, as the case of Maher Arar attests, right?

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Avant de terminer, monsieur le président, je tiens à signaler les autres modifications contenues dans le projet de loi, à l'intention des membres du comité. La modification relative à l'Information préalable sur les voyageurs et au Dossier passager, IPV/DP, concerne les délais établis pour la réception des renseignements de la part de l'ASFC.

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Before closing, Mr. Chair, I would like to reference for the committee members the remaining amendments contained in this bill. The amendment respecting advance passenger information and passenger name record, APIPNR, concerns the timeframes within which the CBSA receives this information. Given that passenger data is obtained for risk assessment purposes, it is required in sufficient time to carry out the assessment prior to the arrival of the traveller. The current wording of the act does not meet this requirement. Accordingly, the amendment would permit the timing of the APIPNR data to be prescribed in the regulations. Prescribing the timeframes through the regulations would allow for flexibility to adjust to technological advances and would facilitate the planned expansion of APIPNR to rail and marine mode.

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Avant de terminer, monsieur le président, je tiens à signaler les autres modifications contenues dans le projet de loi, à l'intention des membres du comité. La modification relative à l'Information préalable sur les voyageurs et au Dossier passager, IPV/DP, concerne les délais établis pour la réception des renseignements de la part de l'ASFC.

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Before closing, Mr. Chair, I would like to reference for the committee members the remaining amendments contained in this bill. The amendment respecting advance passenger information and passenger name record, APIPNR, concerns the timeframes within which the CBSA receives this information. Given that passenger data is obtained for risk assessment purposes, it is required in sufficient time to carry out the assessment prior to the arrival of the traveller. The current wording of the act does not meet this requirement. Accordingly, the amendment would permit the timing of the APIPNR data to be prescribed in the regulations. Prescribing the timeframes through the regulations would allow for flexibility to adjust to technological advances and would facilitate the planned expansion of APIPNR to rail and marine mode.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Les deux premières plaintes portaient sur le fait que M. Danek était en conflit d'intérêts. Nous avons logé ces plaintes après avoir entendu dire que nous avions perdu la DP. Si j'avais porté plainte en juin, comme le tribunal dit que j'aurais dû le faire, quand M. Danek a été embauché, ma cote de popularité n'aurait pas été bien forte, n'est-ce pas?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	The first of the two cases was about Mr. Danek being in a conflict of interest. We filed this after we heard that we'd lost the RFP. Now, if I had filed it in June, when they said I should, when he was hired, I would have been really unpopular in there, okay? So here are the guys who are going to be doing the evaluation and you're going to really upset them.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Il s'est occupé du cas de Goose Bay, de l'étude menée sur la diversification des modes de prestation de services à cet endroit, et je pense qu'il peut faire des commentaires sur la manière dont nous avons procédé concernant le processus de DP et comment nous avons traité les soumissions.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	BGen Peter Gartenburg: Mr. Chairman, I think what I'd ask to do is have Lieutenant-Colonel Ryan come forward, please. He was involved in the Goose Bay case, the alternative service delivery study there, and I think he can give you some comments about how we go through the RFP process and deal with the bids.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Qu’aux fins du choix de l’option pour la cession des wagons-trémies fédéraux, Transports Canada établisse un processus de Demande de proposition (DP) qui soit ouvert, transparent et accessible à toutes les parties intéressées.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	That Transport Canada in choosing an option for the disposal of the federal hopper cars, establish a Request for Proposal (RFP) process that is open and transparent and available to all interested parties.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	M. Joseph Haddock: On parle effectivement de discussions sur la diversification des modes de prestation de services concernant la maintenance à long terme. Je ne peux que rappeler l'exemple d'un EB et notre surprise quand nous avons constaté que la DP avait quelque 1 200 pages.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	Mr. Joseph Haddock: Alternate service delivery discussions about long-term support concepts are basically being bantered around. I can only go back to the experience of the SOR competition when seeing an RFP that was 1,200 pages long just kind of surprised us.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Il y a toute la question de la double désignation DP et DPJ, le directeur provincial et la Direction de la protection de la jeunesse, un problème se pose beaucoup plus au niveau provincial. Il faut faire une étude à ce niveau.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	There is the whole issue of the double designation, PD and YPB, the Provincial Director and the Youth Protection Branch, which is a problem that is much more frequent at the provincial level. That must be studied. It is all linked and logical.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Il y a en fait, du moins aux États-Unis, tout un secteur d'entreprises tierces d'exploration et d'analyse des données qui examinent les renseignements contenus dans les DP pour diverses fins commerciales, opérationnelles et de marketing des compagnies aériennes.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	There is, in fact, at least in the U.S., an entire industry of third party data mining and data analysis companies that look at these PNR data for a variety of commercial, marketing, and operational purposes for the airlines.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Mme Judi Longfield: C'est pourquoi je désirais obtenir une clarification. Je supposais qu'il s'agissait d'une DP.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	Mrs. Judi Longfield: That's why I wanted clarification. I assumed it was an RFP.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Ils font donc la collecte des données du DP depuis sept ans. Nous savons qu'ils le font depuis sept ans, mais quel a été le résultat? Avez-vous connaissance de conséquences négatives?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	They've been collecting the PNR data for seven years. We've known they've been collecting Canadian customers' PNR information for seven years, and what's happened as a result? Have there been any negative consequences that you're aware of?

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Ma première question est la suivante: depuis combien de temps le gouvernement américain recueille-t-il les données du DP? Depuis combien de temps a-t-il accès à ces données? Monsieur Salter, le savez-vous?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	My first question is this: how long has the U.S. government been collecting PNR data? How long have they had the data available to them? Mr. Salter, do you have information on how long they've been collecting these data?

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Qui a eu accès à la demande de propositions avant qu'elle ne soit publiée? Y a-t-il quelqu'un à l'extérieur du ministère, comme au BCP ou aux Finances, qui a eu accès aux DP avant qu'elles ne soient rendues publiques?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	Who had access to the RFP before it went out? Did anyone outside the department, like PCO or Finance, have access to the RFPs before they were made public?

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Nous croyons que ce serait dans l'intérêt du public et que c'est un objectif légitime. Nous nous occupons déjà de ces questions et l'outil supplémentaire que constitue le SIPV/DP nous aiderait à nous acquitter encore mieux de notre mandat.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	We believe that is in the public interest, that it's a legitimate public purpose. We do those jobs now, and the additional tool of the API-PNR information will help us to do those jobs even better.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Donc, les ministres auraient eu accès aux DP avant qu'elles ne soient rendues publiques?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	So the ministers would have had access to the RFPs before they became public?

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Par conséquent, si j'ai bien compris ce que j'ai entendu jusqu'ici, indépendamment de ce que le comité pourrait faire à ce stade, les États-Unis auront de toute façon accès à toute l'information du DP.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	Yes, so my perspective on what we've heard so far is that no matter what we do as a committee at this stage, they're still going to have access to all the PNR information anyway.

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	Jake, voulez-vous nous renseigner sur ce qu'il en est de la DP visant la réparation et la révision des chars Leopard 2 ici au Canada?
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	Jake, would you like to say something about where the RFP is on the Leopard 2s for the R and O here in Canada?

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	« Demande de propositions, DP no 114, émise par le Comité organisateur de Vancouver pour les Jeux olympiques et paralympiques d'hiver de 2010, COVAN. »
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	“Request for proposals, RFP No. 114, issued by Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, VANOC.”

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Show textShow cached sourceOpen source URL	J'ai l'impression que vous avez mentionné une modification très intéressante, qui consisterait à dire explicitement que les données minimales de l'IPV répondent aux exigences du Secure Flight Program, tandis que les données plus ouvertes et importantes du DP sont superflues et peuvent occasionner le genre de profilage ou d'abus qui nous inquiète tant.
Compare text pagesCompare HTM pagesOpen source URLOpen target URLDefine parl.gc.ca as primary domain	It seems to me that you have pointed to a very productive amendment, which is to say explicitly that API information is minimal and meets the requirement of secure flight, whereas PNR is large, open-ended, and superfluous, and could lead to the kind of profiling or misuse of data about which we are all so concerned.

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Je crois que M. Hasbrouck a mentionné à juste titre les négociations de l'UE avec les États-Unis au sujet des données du DP ainsi que les négociations entre l'UE et le Canada. Le Canada et l'UE ont réussi à conclure un traité international sur l'échange de données du DP qui a été salué par les experts en données et en protection de la vie privée justement parce qu'il limite l'utilisation des données, qui sont d'ailleurs banalisées au préalable, ce qui signifie que les noms sont retirés des dossiers.

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I think that Mr. Hasbrouck points rightly to the EU negotiations with America on PNR data, and then the EU-Canada negotiations. Canada and the EU managed to have an international treaty on the exchange of PNR data that was praised by data and privacy authorities precisely because it limited the use and anonymized the data, which meant you took the name off from the records. You could still use the information for the creation of profiling, but you couldn't use it for individuals. It was also praised because the data were disposed of.